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	<title>Comments on: The evolving market for (Web) startup funding: part III</title>
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		<title>By: jai</title>
		<link>http://montrealstartup.com/blog/2007/07/31/the-evolving-market-for-web-startup-funding-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire your initiative and investing pedigree.  Curious about following ...

Why would a kick-ass startup look for funding in Montreal?  Hasn&#039;t the precedent been established that more savvy investors &#039;who get it&#039; are to be found south of the border?  I would view that as one of the web 1.0 lessons and not necessarily picking on Montreal (there are other places that have &#039;worked hard&#039; to develop that reputation) ...  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve been over this as you work on developing your &#039;product&#039; and would be keen to hear your take.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your initiative and investing pedigree.  Curious about following &#8230;</p>
<p>Why would a kick-ass startup look for funding in Montreal?  Hasn&#8217;t the precedent been established that more savvy investors &#8216;who get it&#8217; are to be found south of the border?  I would view that as one of the web 1.0 lessons and not necessarily picking on Montreal (there are other places that have &#8216;worked hard&#8217; to develop that reputation) &#8230;  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve been over this as you work on developing your &#8216;product&#8217; and would be keen to hear your take.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: David Dufresne</title>
		<link>http://montrealstartup.com/blog/2007/07/31/the-evolving-market-for-web-startup-funding-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dufresne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting series of post...  I&#039;ll try to find time to comment in more details.  I&#039;m curious about your MSU project.  I do see the huge funding gap and I&#039;ve long been convinced that someone could go far with a bit of money and a pool of expertise.

I agree with your last comment.  VC money isn&#039;t needed to build web apps and services anymore but it is still needed to build companies, in most cases.  But yeah we need to adapt and get used to doing smaller rounds of 2 M $ and sometimes much less, at least in Web.  I personnally try to size a new investment by the potential exit-size, which is often only marginally correlated to the investment-size...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting series of post&#8230;  I&#8217;ll try to find time to comment in more details.  I&#8217;m curious about your MSU project.  I do see the huge funding gap and I&#8217;ve long been convinced that someone could go far with a bit of money and a pool of expertise.</p>
<p>I agree with your last comment.  VC money isn&#8217;t needed to build web apps and services anymore but it is still needed to build companies, in most cases.  But yeah we need to adapt and get used to doing smaller rounds of 2 M $ and sometimes much less, at least in Web.  I personnally try to size a new investment by the potential exit-size, which is often only marginally correlated to the investment-size&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that in the past, an online venture had to deal with tech risk and business risk. With a dozen years of web development experience and rapidly improving tools and frameworks, most of the tech risk has been eliminated from web startups. The business risk however, remains. Good design is necessary, but so to is a good marketing strategy, ability to execute, adequate financing and luck.

Seed level funding allows you to test ideas cheaply, but when one starts to take off, you are going to need more servers, bandwidth, sys admins, staff to handle inquiries, etc. If growth is rapid, then you are going to need VC money to cope. If several startups are in the same space as you, you need to grow faster than the competition to establish a dominant market position. This requires VC levels of investment.

Also believe that the Y-Combinator companies have three choices after their three months are up: (1) try to sell themselves for a relatively low valuation, (2) raise VC money to grow the business, or (3) raise some angel money, to buy time to accomplish (1) or (2). Y-Combinator kick-starts companies, but it doesn&#039;t output self-sustaining businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that in the past, an online venture had to deal with tech risk and business risk. With a dozen years of web development experience and rapidly improving tools and frameworks, most of the tech risk has been eliminated from web startups. The business risk however, remains. Good design is necessary, but so to is a good marketing strategy, ability to execute, adequate financing and luck.</p>
<p>Seed level funding allows you to test ideas cheaply, but when one starts to take off, you are going to need more servers, bandwidth, sys admins, staff to handle inquiries, etc. If growth is rapid, then you are going to need VC money to cope. If several startups are in the same space as you, you need to grow faster than the competition to establish a dominant market position. This requires VC levels of investment.</p>
<p>Also believe that the Y-Combinator companies have three choices after their three months are up: (1) try to sell themselves for a relatively low valuation, (2) raise VC money to grow the business, or (3) raise some angel money, to buy time to accomplish (1) or (2). Y-Combinator kick-starts companies, but it doesn&#8217;t output self-sustaining businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Haran</title>
		<link>http://montrealstartup.com/blog/2007/07/31/the-evolving-market-for-web-startup-funding-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Haran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like my trackback didn&#039;t work, so here&#039;s my blog answer:
http://danielharan.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/vc-capital-in-montreal/

Heri - the YC model is great for students, but that&#039;s not enough money for most potential entrepreneurs to pay their bills. Something a bit closer to CRV&#039;s program would be easier for a lot of people with kids and/or mortgages. Also, as you say, the design of the product is now a bigger part of the success - it would be nice to have enough cash to hire outside expertise for design and usability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like my trackback didn&#8217;t work, so here&#8217;s my blog answer:<br />
<a href="http://danielharan.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/vc-capital-in-montreal/" rel="nofollow">http://danielharan.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/vc-capital-in-montreal/</a></p>
<p>Heri &#8211; the YC model is great for students, but that&#8217;s not enough money for most potential entrepreneurs to pay their bills. Something a bit closer to CRV&#8217;s program would be easier for a lot of people with kids and/or mortgages. Also, as you say, the design of the product is now a bigger part of the success &#8211; it would be nice to have enough cash to hire outside expertise for design and usability.</p>
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		<title>By: Some French Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some French Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;VC capital in&#160;Montreal...&lt;/strong&gt;

Daniel Drouet just posted another article in his series on VC capital in Montreal. I like where he&#8217;s going with this. There is good talent in Montreal, and VCs and Angels aren&#8217;t nearly as active as they could be. He finishes by asking &amp;#822...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>VC capital in&nbsp;Montreal&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Daniel Drouet just posted another article in his series on VC capital in Montreal. I like where he&#8217;s going with this. There is good talent in Montreal, and VCs and Angels aren&#8217;t nearly as active as they could be. He finishes by asking &amp;#822&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: heri</title>
		<link>http://montrealstartup.com/blog/2007/07/31/the-evolving-market-for-web-startup-funding-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>heri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if we focus on the web, the new reality is that there are now new technologies and framework like Ruby on Rails, Django , cakePHP etc. that allows pretty much any programmer to launch a web application. I consider that there is now no barrier and the real deal relies on the design of the product.

one implication of having these open source frameworks is that you will so more people trying to launch a website, more ideas will be tested, markets will be fragmented. and that&#039;s why i think the VC model (funding of more than $1million) is now irrelevant. unless you launch a service that needs a lot of logistics like moo.com or woot.com

i think the y-combinator model is the best you can get. provide early funding to as much teams as possible, diversify, provide backup, connections, advice, invite some key speakers. we have 4 universities in montréal, polytechnique and ETS and i believe once you get the word out, you will see a lot of creative ideas. and we know that creativity is one of montreal&#039;s strenghth.

also, VCs will then have to turn to other areas like telecommunications, hardware, mobile networks where you still need a lot of capital to get a company started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if we focus on the web, the new reality is that there are now new technologies and framework like Ruby on Rails, Django , cakePHP etc. that allows pretty much any programmer to launch a web application. I consider that there is now no barrier and the real deal relies on the design of the product.</p>
<p>one implication of having these open source frameworks is that you will so more people trying to launch a website, more ideas will be tested, markets will be fragmented. and that&#8217;s why i think the VC model (funding of more than $1million) is now irrelevant. unless you launch a service that needs a lot of logistics like moo.com or woot.com</p>
<p>i think the y-combinator model is the best you can get. provide early funding to as much teams as possible, diversify, provide backup, connections, advice, invite some key speakers. we have 4 universities in montréal, polytechnique and ETS and i believe once you get the word out, you will see a lot of creative ideas. and we know that creativity is one of montreal&#8217;s strenghth.</p>
<p>also, VCs will then have to turn to other areas like telecommunications, hardware, mobile networks where you still need a lot of capital to get a company started.</p>
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